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The biggest issue i have so far is with bad fingers, so i'm interested in any tricks you picked up over the time on how to hide or fix bad fingers.
Or is this something that you fix manually using editing software? (though this feels like cheating - i would prefer having the images with the full metadata to reprodce them)
I've been using the anything-v3 model so far.
swordfish said:
The biggest issue i have so far is with bad fingers, so i'm interested in any tricks you picked up over the time on how to hide or fix bad fingers.
Or is this something that you fix manually using editing software? (though this feels like cheating - i would prefer having the images with the full metadata to reprodce them)I've been using the anything-v3 model so far.
So I can't really give you a certain answer on this, because I've only found out about this since I've been stuck with only a laptop AND UNABLE TO RENDER ANYTHING (grrrrrr....)
But my friend has basically told me that there are different things out there that basically combine a bunch of negative prompts into a single prompt and instantly fix that problem.
An example is in this post #11494
Where they use "bad_prompt_version2" which combines a bunch of negative prompts into one.
Keep in mind this is coming from someone who hasn't set it up or used it, I just know about it. Plan to mess with it once I'm back from winter break and start real prompt crafting.
Here's the links to the websites for it.
This one is for bad prompts:
https://huggingface.co/datasets/Nerfgun3/bad_prompt
This is a different one for bad artists, not 100% sure how this one works:
https://huggingface.co/nick-x-hacker/bad-artist
Alrighty~! Hopefully that helps you out~! :3
Here's what I've done from right within WebUI. The method is not original to me.
1. Suppose you have just generated an image in txt2img that is absolutely perfect, except the hands.
2. Send it to inpainting.
3. Make sure all the settings in your inpainting tab are identical to the ones that gave you your txt2img (sampler, cfg, etc.), except for your seed. Set that to -1 (dice button).
4. Color over one hand (not two) completely with the inpainting brush.
5. Set denoising scale to 0.5.*
6. Generate. I usually do this in a batch of 4.
7. Pick the image that looks the best (assuming you are seeing an improvement). If it's good, you're done. Send it to img2img for upscaling if you'd like.
8. If you get a hand that is better, but not great, click the send to inpainting button. The next time you generate, you are making variations from the new image you picked, so you can do this multiple times to get gradual improvements. Go back to step 6 and repeat until you are satisfied.
*When you pick 0.5 denoising in step 5, you are telling webui that you want to use a new inpainted section that is 50% like your original, and 50% something new. Sliding it higher to 0.8 or so will give you something more different, which means it might not even be a hand any more. Lower, likewise, produces a tiny variation on the original.
If you tried inpainting two hands simultaneously, you might get one that's a big improvement, and one that sucks a lot more. Just do one at a time and skip the stress.
Also, it's easy to see how this method could be used for a lot more than just hands. Go wild.
Soopy said:
So I can't really give you a certain answer on this, because I've only found out about this since I've been stuck with only a laptop AND UNABLE TO RENDER ANYTHING (grrrrrr....)
But my friend has basically told me that there are different things out there that basically combine a bunch of negative prompts into a single prompt and instantly fix that problem.
An example is in this post #11494
Where they use "bad_prompt_version2" which combines a bunch of negative prompts into one.
Keep in mind this is coming from someone who hasn't set it up or used it, I just know about it. Plan to mess with it once I'm back from winter break and start real prompt crafting.
Here's the links to the websites for it.
This one is for bad prompts:
https://huggingface.co/datasets/Nerfgun3/bad_prompt
I have used this for a bit after seeing your post here and it seems like it can be very helpful for getting good hands, but you need to be careful because it can also affect your outputs pretty significantly style wise, sometimes in an undesirable way. It can especially change outputs when used at the same time as a hypernetwork, which might be good or bad depending on how it changes, but still something to be aware of. Giving less emphasis to it in the prompt (the creator recommends 0.8 in that link) can reduce those changes but still be helpful in eliminating flaws.
I don't really see how editing the images manually might be like cheating. This is only my opinion obviously but I feel like not editing your images is simply a waste. It's like taking photographs and not doing color correction afterwards.
I tried the combined negative prompt things but I didn't see much of a difference compared to my usual negatives.
I use the method redjoe described, except I always set the sampler to DPM++ SDE Karras when inpainting but I doubt it makes much of a difference. I also combine it with manual edits for best results. Simply painting over the element I want removed or using the clone tool makes a huge difference in my opinion. Lately I also started upscaling my images first, each in a batch of four, before any inpainting (unless there are some large elements I want changed). This way I can remove most of the problems by combining the best elements of the four versions without waiting for the inpainting to process every time.
As a side note, I often remove nipples from my prompt when inpainting because my models seem to like adding them in weird places. Otherwise I keep prompts the same.
antlers_anon said:
I don't really see how editing the images manually might be like cheating. This is only my opinion obviously but I feel like not editing your images is simply a waste. It's like taking photographs and not doing color correction afterwards.
I tried the combined negative prompt things but I didn't see much of a difference compared to my usual negatives.
I use the method redjoe described, except I always set the sampler to DPM++ SDE Karras when inpainting but I doubt it makes much of a difference. I also combine it with manual edits for best results. Simply painting over the element I want removed or using the clone tool makes a huge difference in my opinion. Lately I also started upscaling my images first, each in a batch of four, before any inpainting (unless there are some large elements I want changed). This way I can remove most of the problems by combining the best elements of the four versions without waiting for the inpainting to process every time.
As a side note, I often remove nipples from my prompt when inpainting because my models seem to like adding them in weird places. Otherwise I keep prompts the same.
Agreed~! I managed to give it a try after rendering stuff on a friends PC (since im on holiday for winter break), and also noticed that the prompts outputs of the style of image itself we're either slightly, or even sometimes completely changed. I will say though, after testing out this method in about 1000 pictures, I can say gladly that it really does help the problem by quite a bit, though not completely fixing it.
Maybe you could fine tune a prompt to the exact liking and make it so the hands are almost perfect and style on every render. By messing with strength and such.
Or maybe there will be better options in the future.
Either way, there is still alternatives like photoshop and such, which I think is a perfect alternative to small fixes (the main way being inpaint) and works amazing for me when I have small fixes. In the end, the art you're producing is still made by the AI (though the prompt crafting and seed is completely unique to you).
So I agree with the point of, its not AT ALL cheating if u touch up a photo after render. Its just touching up a photo to make it the best you can, then you post your "artwork" on here in your best quality. Still, when doing this, try to post metadata and such for others to relate to your work :3
Hope the best for ya~!
